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Regarding this question, I believe duping it to a question that was closed as off-topic is a bit disingenuous. I believe there was general consensus the question itself was on-topic. Is this really okay? Wouldn't it have been better to let the on-topic question stand on its own?

  • I have edited the question to provide a sample sentence. This time around, could we please arrive at some rules governing closing of so-called duplicates that point to closed questions? I have a vague feeling this has come up before. – aparente001 May 3 '18 at 21:09
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Duplicates should point to a question that has at least one good answer that answers the question being closed as a dupe. In my opinion, the quality of the answers of the proposed duplicate are a bigger problem than the question being closed. The scoring of the handful of answers for the proposed dupe target seemed pretty low for EL&U, which means to me that the community wasn't that involved and the answers are suspect. If the questions are truly duplicates, the one with more community participation should be the "master" question in my opinion.

It's a simple thing for a mod to reopen a question that was closed for other reasons and re-close it as a duplicate to allow the higher quality question to thrive and attract answers that are better vetted by the community. A question that was closed for lack of research can be closed as a duplicate of a question that does have proper research without somehow tainting the well-asked question with "off-topicness".

The only hard and fast personal rule I have for choosing duplicates is that I never choose a question that has no significantly up-voted answers unless the questions are exact duplicates.

  • I understand that the point of closing as duplicate is to indicate answers can be found elsewhere. However, closing a question as a duplicate of an off-topic question somehow leaves the impression that both questions are off-topic (for the same reason). I don't think the "tainting" applies in the other direction. Also, while the collection of answers on the off-topic question may contain a suitable answer to the on-topic question, the questions themselves may diverge in nuance enough where a low scored (possibly negative) answer on the dup is a match for the other. ... – jxh May 4 '18 at 18:28
  • ... I think this approach works well only when the highest rated answers on the older question indeed is a match for the question being closed as a duplicate of it. – jxh May 4 '18 at 18:28
  • It would be interesting to see if the duplicate question system was extended so that the answers on the duplicate were replicated to the new question but with 0 scores, and voting occurs anew for the old answers on the new "duplicate" question. – jxh May 4 '18 at 18:29
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    @jxh Aha. That suggestion may be worth working into a Meta.SE question. Do check it hasn't appeared before (but I doubt that it has). – Andrew Leach May 4 '18 at 21:31
  • This is probably a close match to my suggestion: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/166844/… – jxh May 4 '18 at 22:24
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A kind golden hammer wielding participant has reopened my question.

Could we have/develop a rule or procedure for this?

The whole point of closing questions, I thought, was to make it easier to find authoritative answers to clear questions, so we wouldn't be reinventing the wheel all over the place, with some wheels coming out better/more useful than others, and the whole site looking like spaghetti code.

I don't see how closing a question with a closed question helps with that.

(However: if there's something inherently bad about the way the new question is posed, then by all means guide the OP (in this case me) toward improving the question, including closing it if necessary.)

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Bear in mind that the "off-topic" close reasons include our three custom reasons, and that "off-topic" simply means "does not conform to one or more expectations".

Certainly, one of those expectations is that the question should be of a type allowed in the list in the Help pages. But other expectations are explicitly stated in the close reasons, and these appear in the banner on closed posts. You need to read the banner text.

"Questions on choosing an ideal word or phrase must include information on how it will be used in order to be answered. For help writing a good word or phrase request, see: About single word requests"

In this case, the question may well have conformed to the list in the Help, but it didn't meet the standards required for its tags.

Nevertheless, it has answers. Those answers may well suffice for other questions, such as the one you reference here. If they do not, then questions which are closed as duplicates should be edited to say why the nominated duplicate doesn't provide an answer.

It is perfectly reasonable for questions which are on-topic but lacking in detail to be nominated as duplicates, if the answers are reasonable.

There may be more of a grey area where a nominated duplicate has no answers and has been closed already. However, it's also entirely possible that closing as a duplicate of such a question is exactly the right thing to do (eg in the case where both questions are of an equal standard). In such a case, the closure serves as a pointer to question quality: "Look, here's a question just like yours which was closed."

I believe a general bar on nominating closed questions as duplicates is unsustainable. That must be permitted. (And if it were A Bad Thing, then the system would not allow it at all.)

In the case in point here, there's probably enough in the question not to close it for want of a sample sentence; and it's probably sufficiently different from the "duplicate" that reopening is reasonable.

  • Clarification: I didn't say the rule or process for deciding needed to consist of just one step. I can understand if the algorithm or flow chart is a bit complicated. But I'd rather see it presented in more positive terms, as in a flow chart, than in the form you used in your answer. I'm hoping for an algorithm that people can step through as they're evaluating a new question. // If anyone had asked me for a sample sentence I would have obliged. – aparente001 May 4 '18 at 0:51
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    But your question was closed as a duplicate of the other. The target was closed for lack of detail, not yours. That means that your question was fine in itself, just that answers had already been given elsewhere. – Andrew Leach May 4 '18 at 6:38
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    Yes, but one interpretation of "closed as duplicate of an off-topic question" would be "that question was closed as off-topic, so this question is too." To a casual reader just following the links, I would think that would be the impression. I understand about reading the reason the other question was closed as off-topic. – jxh May 4 '18 at 18:49
  • @jxh People can believe all sorts of things, even when something stating the contrary in bold letters is right in front of them. There are plenty of folks that don’t understand SE close reasons. I’m not sure that merits not linking two questions to help visitors find useful content. Regardless, the better quality question should be the one left open for more answers, but it’s difficult for community members to do that without mod help if one question is already closed. – ColleenV May 4 '18 at 21:17

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