I'm looking for valid reasons for the downvote to this question.

I have raised this question, on meta, for three reasons.

  1. I think the question's OK, should be answered, and I still desire an answer.
  2. I want to learn how to use stackexchange, and elu stack. And,
  3. I think it may reflect wider voting patters on elu stack at least.

Here is the comment I left, which asserts my present thinking on the downvote:

i don't think this question should be downvoted. it's clear, and i just won't easily find the answer. the voter seems to act like a meta voter, i.e. voting down because they disagree with something said in the question. that, imho, debases the use of the site, as well as being a misuse of it

It has now received comments from four users myself included, and a vote to close for being off-topic (!). So, I think the issue is relevant, even if the meta question doesn't have wider appeal.

It seems that the question is being voted as "off-topic". But, also, that I am unable to convince anyone it is, despite not understanding how at all it could be!


  • i received an upvote right after i edited the phrase "why does this sound better" to explicitly mean that that's why i think it's grammatical. so, i'm guessing that's the reason for the two votes in question! my own inability to phrase questions clearly
    – user99677
    Apr 23 '19 at 0:08
  • Wasn't the question downvoted before you added the context needed to answer it?
    – Laurel
    Apr 23 '19 at 1:04
  • it turns out that way, that's why, yes @Laurel ... i didn't realize that, due to thinking that it was expressing a problem of general interest
    – user99677
    Apr 23 '19 at 1:05
  • i have decided to always include full context to any and all questions. that should help @Laurel
    – user99677
    Apr 23 '19 at 3:54
  • i have edited the question a lot, and the comments were helpful to make it clear and on-topic. cheers!
    – user99677
    Apr 23 '19 at 6:25
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    4 downvotes? Pfft, I can get something like 30 downvotes when I post something on Meta SE.
    – Mari-Lou A
    Apr 28 '19 at 10:51
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    Is your shift key broken now? Or does it just not work with 'i'?
    – Mitch
    Apr 28 '19 at 19:19
  • you all just seem hostile at this point @Mitch
    – user99677
    Apr 29 '19 at 5:37
  • i don't understand why this question has SEVEN downvotes when the main question isn't that bad (just one downvote and one upvote on ELL)
    – user99677
    Apr 29 '19 at 9:14

Down-votes are like mosquitoes: You can watch them alight and then blow them off, or you can slap at them and make a bloody mess. Best solution is to put on a good repellent.

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    I like the analogy! For me they're more like sunburn: when you're young (low-rep) it hurts more and happens more often, but if you love the outdoors you don't let it stop you, you just learn to take more care. In your middle years it's still a bit annoying but doesn't seem to sting as much, and in your later years (high-rep) - well, I haven't got there yet, so I won't presume to guess what it's like ;-) Apr 28 '19 at 6:15

Ignore the requirement to show research, earn downvotes.

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    Let's pretend the OP is not a linguist, how would they go about researching the answer to that question? And the OP actually provided a link about pronoun dropping, so some research was in fact made.
    – Mari-Lou A
    Apr 29 '19 at 0:04
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    @Mari they'd ask a native English speaker they know in real life. Apr 29 '19 at 0:48
  • oh please, what sort of reason to downvote is that!
    – user99677
    Apr 29 '19 at 5:43
  • @user3293056 Probably the most common? I mean it's widely regarded as the number one problem of poor questions on this site. Apr 29 '19 at 5:47
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    @user3293056 It's also literally the meaning of the downvote button, hover over it to see "This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful" Apr 29 '19 at 5:48
  • do you think that most english language speakers know what pro-drop even is?
    – user99677
    Apr 29 '19 at 5:51
  • i get the desire for conformity etc., something you dannii, especially, seem to enjoy. but the group think here seems too much
    – user99677
    Apr 29 '19 at 5:52
  • @user3293056 No. Many of the users on this site will. However it's not really what the question was about, which was a simple grammaticality judgement. If you had two similar sentences, one grammatical, one not, then it could be interesting to ask how pro-drop made a difference. Apr 29 '19 at 5:52
  • you're completely unable to see things from other people's point of view.
    – user99677
    Apr 29 '19 at 5:56
  • i mean, you're right that it can be answered without reference to pro-drop. but the sentence can't i think be shown to be wrong without reference to pro-drop, which was the intention of the question (the context was just fabricated)
    – user99677
    Apr 29 '19 at 6:10
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    Then make that intention clear, rather than making it look like a garden variety grammaticality judgement question. Apr 29 '19 at 6:30
  • it was clear that i was asking about pro-drop, though i guess i could have gone further to show it was the reason for asking
    – user99677
    Apr 29 '19 at 9:11

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