I was surfing etymonline and I found its background color exactly identical to the one of our beloved site. Is ELU’s background color based on Etymonline’s or is Etymonline’s based on ELU’s?
Is the background color of the ELU SE website based on the background color of the Etymonline website?
Related: English Language & Usage's updated site theme is ready for testing! (2018)– Mari-Lou ADec 18, 2022 at 22:05
- I was surﬁng etymonline and I found its background color exactly identical to the one of our beloved site.
“Exactly identical” ? Really? :)
Because the perception of color occurs only in the mind of the viewer mediated by the exceedingly complex human vision system, it is not for me to say whether what you perceived to be ‘identical’ in your own mind happens to be ‘true’ or ‘false’. The observer is always honest to himself regarding his own perceptions.
But perceptions diﬀer wildly between observers depending on a multitude of factors including ambient lighting, monitor settings, biological chemistry including such things as (typically male-pattern) deuteranopia, physical changes to that person’s lens which grows ever dimmer and yellower with age, and each person’s unique visual-processing neurology, not to mention various cultural and psychological biases including conﬁrmation bias.
Given all that vaguery, all I can do here is play by the numbers, which are constant integers blessèdly free of any trompe-l’œil eﬀects. When doing so, only one conclusion is possible.
EL🙵U Page Element RGB Colors
Here on a scale of 0 through 255 are the respective RGB values used for various elements on our site’s main page:
|deleted post background||253||242||242|
Etymonline Page Element RGB Colors
In contrast, here are the respective RGB values used for various elements on the Etymonline web site’s main page:
|knockout text on red background||228||223||202|
|footer knockout text||136||136||136|
|border and footer background||241||236||215|
|uparrow background in footer||171||169||155|
|submit button unfocused||255||244||196|
|submit button focused||255||237||154|
As you can see, when playing strictly by the numbers, there are no elements whose integer RGB triples are numerically identical from one web site to the next.
- Is ELU’s background color based on Etymonline’s or Etymonline’s based on ELU’s?
Given the lack of numeric equivalence, this seems rather unlikely. Our site theme was designed long, long ago by site user #4, Jin, who is a a talented and tasteful SE employee with a gift for design. I suppose we could ask her whether she recalls, but I don’t believe your conjecture to be true.
Rather, similar underlying motivations may well have led to similarities in choices of hue. That’s because both sites strove to emulate certain old-time manuscript colors seen on slightly yellowed pages combined with all rubricators’ and typesetters’ standard second color choice of some variant on the hue of red.
That’s why, in a very vague way, the color schemes of the two sites follow similar trends. That likely led you to seeing the parallels between them.
But their respective element colors are in no fashion exactly equivalent numerically when looked at under that most exacting of lenses: that of the computer.
1The RGB triplets for the general background color for the two websites are very close to each other. Also, not just the background color. Even the color of the site's logo is the same as the color of the red words in Etymonline. Dec 18, 2022 at 18:11
@SnackExchange Etymonline has a general background whose HSV is Hue 45° / Saturation 4.7% / Value 100.0%. We have one whose HSV is Hue 47° / Saturation 3.6% / Value 98.8%. Sure, those are close, but aren’t all “whites”? Dec 18, 2022 at 18:12
1I think we should mention @jin here. Maybe she can explain to us whether it was an accident or a direct inspiration. Dec 18, 2022 at 18:16
@SnackExchange The 🙵 in our logo is RGB=[144, 55, 59] & HSV=[357°, 61.8%, 56.5%]. Their red words are RGB=[131, 4, 29] & HSV=[348°, 96.9%, 51.4%]. Those are not the same nor even very close to each other, yet you say you perceive both those reds as “the same color”. Interesting❗ Our ability to distinguish color diﬀerences in the reds is terrible because we aren’t able to triangulate all three of our cone types’ signals; mostly only the L-cones fire, and sometimes a tiny bit of the S-cones at the other end, but we get almost no help at all from the all-important M-cones. Perhaps that’s why. Dec 18, 2022 at 18:24
1@SnackExchange I’ve just now pinged her via an alternate communication channel. Your own ampersanded at-reference actually did not do so. This is because she has not commented on this post (yet) nor was its author or editor, conditions necessary for those to land in her SE inbox. Whether she’s both around and available I do not know, but we can certainly try. Dec 18, 2022 at 18:36
3@tchrist FYI, the
&in your header EL🙵U Page Element RGB Colors and the one (I’m assuming it’s an ampersand) in your comment starting with * The 🙵 in our logo is RGB…* display as empty squares (I think the Unicode “idk what this character is”) in iOS Safari. I can dig up the version numbers, if that’ll help, but probably suffices to note but they’re both (iOS and Safari, I mean) the latest versions. Whatever font they’re using doesn’t support whatever fancy
&you’re using. Just doubled checked and the same issue in iOS chrome. In the deprecated mobile app, some kind of stripes.– Dan BronDec 19, 2022 at 0:08
1@DanBron That’s code point U+15675, yclept
SWASH AMPERSAND ORNAMENT. Here’s what it looks like for me in Chrome running on MacOS. But as I mentioned in my answer, for reasons of reliability I always play by the numbers, not by the appearances. :) It’s also messed up on Safari under MacOS, so I think Apple just...can’t do fonts? :) Dec 19, 2022 at 0:29
1@tchrist Well, at least now I’m not anxious it’s my lazy M-cones.– Dan BronDec 19, 2022 at 1:00
1Samsung mobile, Android 7.0; MacBook Pro (but 2nd hand b/c Apple is so bloody expensive) running on OS Monterey. Web browser Chrome updated. I cannot see the ampersand character in either device. Am I alone, I thought I was until I saw Dan's comment. SE is supposed to be inclusive, it's in the CoC so please don't discriminate users with older machines :))) Dec 19, 2022 at 12:19
The ornamental dingbat font isn't a system font for Apple. There is an assortment of Webdings plus Zapf Dingbats that might have something similar. developer.apple.com/fonts/system-fonts/#preinstalled (It's an operating system thing @Mari-LouA not an older computer thing :))– ColleenVDec 21, 2022 at 14:44
Similarly, Western websites targeted toward young children gravitate toward primary colors. Color schemes communicate context for people who share a cultural background. I watched an interesting video about purple representing corruption in many video games. It wasn't because one game decided that was the color to use and then every other game copied them. m.youtube.com/watch?v=L51xc6iqeaU– ColleenVDec 21, 2022 at 14:58
@ColleenV Fun fact: Purple was a luxurious color in Ancient Rome and Greece. Because purple dyes were so expensive. Purple clothes were worn by rich people. P.S.: I think purple grapes were so so expensive. Because grapes were luxurious foods being eaten by emperors from the hands of their concubines. Dec 21, 2022 at 16:37