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Yes, we should. (Vote for this answer if you think we should open a migration path to ELL.)


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I'm one of the folks leaving a lot of those comments. I don't mean for them to be off-putting. Fact is, there are millions of people on the planet who are trying to improve their English. Many of them stumble onto ELU, see it as a godsend, and end up asking a “good” question on the “wrong” Stack Exchange. Here's my guess: if those new users were aware of ...


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TLDR: I don’t have a lot of confidence that this will work out, but unless we make the attempt we won’t have the data to support that hunch. Plus until we do so, people will keep asking for it. But before we can, we would have to have some other stuff in place first. Don’t Migrate Crap Here are ELL migration stats: That tell us that right now, almost one in ...


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"Should we be doing this" is really a rhetorical question at this point. We have been editing posts for grammar, orthography, word choice, and brevity for years now — not just on this site, mind you, but on all 100+ sites of the network. There are badges for editing. You would never get them if every post was flawless to begin with. And if anything, on ...


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Everyone's banging on about that one bad question that was migrated. Someone lets their dog crap in my yard and I go out and scoop it. Now I can toss it in the garbage, or I can go leave it on my neighbor's lawn, because he has to clean up after the dog walkers sometimes too. It seems stupid to try justify dropping that crap on my neighbor's yard because ...


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As a regular user of ELL I would request that migrations to ELL continue to be handled by the moderators of ELU. SE is, in general, very reluctant to create migration paths because they tend to be abused. When should we consider adding a default migration path? Almost never. Truth is, migrations are not often particularly necessary. It's ...


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To be brief, the questions which are usually tagged as being better suited to ELL are not necessarily off-topic. I think a much more common reason for closing or suggesting that many of them be migrated to ELL is because they are considered basic English grammar questions; which until very recently were swept under the general reference rug. Is it therefore ...


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This has been quite a heated discussion at a time. English Language & Usage Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for linguists, etymologists, and __serious__ English language enthusiasts. The "Study of language" twist of the site has been a controversy for many years now, and yes, the community of the site has deemed that it is not for people ...


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A few thoughts: I realize the suggested language comes straight from the Help Center, but the word "thoroughly" jumps out at me as sounding kind of, well, cranky. As far as I'm concerned, SE is part of the process of conducting thorough research. We don't want to make it sound like we don't like being asked questions at all. Along the same lines, I ...


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status-completed As of 22 September 2015, we do have this capability, courtesy of The Powers Who Do That Sort Of Thing. As WendiKidd has implied in her answer, there are risks and potential difficulties. Use with care! I'm sure there will be statistics gathered and pored over to see how many questions migrated from here are closed on ELL. Learners' questions ...


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I composed a response to this question several days ago but didn't post it because it seemed tangential to the question that TrevorD raises. The interesting comments (most recently Araucaria's and Dan Bron's) beneath deadrat's answer have prompted me to try again. I see two basic weaknesses in the way this site handles closing/deleting questions and answers:...


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TL:DR - The SE system breaks down when there is a lack of comradery throughout the community. Our proactive options are: change the system or try to change people. Systems are a lot easier to program... but that's not to say that the community can't improve as well. Note: 1 reps are not part of the community and even though they may be the cause, they're not ...


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There is already a flag reason which mentions closure and migration to ELL, but it may take a little bit of finding. Migration to ELL is a closure reason. It appears in the standard close dialogs which are accessible when you reach a reputation score of 3000. But until then, you can still flag for migration. This last dialog is very similar to the close ...


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Wow. I searched Google in search of a word and after several variations of my search, I landed on this site. Thus, I was not aware there was another site. My suggestion is that you word this phrase so that it does not make a newcomer feel as if they violated a policy. Your current statement is courteous but there is a lot to learn to take full advantage ...


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This site is essentially a place where language geeks, grammar Nazis and incorrigible pedants hang out. I don't think most of us are linguists or academics and I certainly am neither. What we do share is a fascination with the English language and its many nuances and pitfalls, its quirkiness and obscure historical artifacts. Yes, some of our higher rep ...


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The grammar tag should be blacklisted. It's not useful: a question about grammar will almost certainly be able to find more specific tags, and new users simply think that everything is covered by "grammar". Normally, a tag must be eradicated before it can be blacklisted, but in this specific case I think there are simply too many questions to do that. One ...


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One thing to avoid: do not vote to close a question at ELU merely because it is on topic at ELL or "too simple". ELU is a fine place for a simple question, provided that it is well researched and thought out and interesting to experts in the English language.


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I don't disagree with your main point so this is mostly rambling thoughts on finding an appropriate solution to a few issues. Are basic English usage questions on-topic? EL&U needs to decide whether we want questions are simple, basic usage questions. Right now the community seems to be closing most of these as off-topic. I am assuming that this is ...


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To directly answer your question: There is a second site, English Language Learners (ELL). It is designed for people who are trying to learn English when it is not their primary language. English Langugage & Usage (ELU) assumes that the users already have a fairly advanced degree of knowledge of the English language and are asking more complicated ...


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It's not up to ELU as a site to have a position about what belongs on ELL, even though obviously some individual users (such as me) will have opinions on that. All ELU should be concerned with is whether a question is on-topic here or not. I will be very surprised indeed if An English idiom for “solve a problem that has been solved”? gets closed on ELU. On ...


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Maybe. I think many questions asked here should be asked there instead. However, the user base here doesn't fully overlap with the user base there and it can be difficult to judge if a question should be migrated. In my ideal world, users with high-rep accounts on both sites would be the ones who perform the migration.


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If a question is closed here, it is generally because it does not meet our quality guidelines. (See What Types of Questions should I Avoid Asking.) If it is a decent question that meets the guidelines for ELL (see Details, Please), then the people who are voting to close it can and should be selecting "This question should be closed because it belongs on ...


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Disclaimer - I'm answering this from the ELL perspective, so this answer says nothing about how the ELU community would like to handle these sorts of situations. If you're aware that there is a question on ELL that might answer the question on ELU, I would suggest that you link it in a comment as was done for the example here. There are lots of questions on ...


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Through the magic of T-SQL I've found the answer. You can run my query here, with the data being updated weekly. There are currently 57 users with close/reopen privileges on both sites (not including CMs, except Catija because she has the rep). Actually, with this query I did one better than what I asked: it works for any privilege. Simply enter a number in ...


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Spot ELL on the home page of Stack Exchange sites. On the other hand, it's hard to miss EL&U, and its size suggests that the site is successful. Could this home page be partly responsible for users simply not knowing that ELL exits? Related: Should we have a migration path to ELL? We have that migration path now, but what use is it, if the questions ...


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Of course there's a way to deal with the problem, and that's to disband the CPVPV or at least change its members' absurd dedication to the supposed purity of this site. You can find this attitude exemplified by the first comment to your question: Answers don't matter for determining whether a question belongs here, only the question itself. Although this ...


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Removing the "grammar" tag is unnecessary. I don't strongly object to the blacklisting or removal of the grammar tag, but I don't think it would be very helpful either, and I'm a bit concerned about the large number of questions that would have to be de-/retagged with the "remove by database update" plan. I don't think that the existence ...


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I think that every site under the StackExchange umbrella has had a question on its meta site making a similar point. The point being that new users are not made welcome. In all cases the answer is similar. The sites have different expectations of their users than a simple forum site would. This has the disadvantage that it can appear unwelcoming to new ...


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I'm one of the more active users in moderation over on ELL, so you can imagine I viewed this proposal with a certain degree of concern, and in fact I voiced caution on ELL's matching meta post. But, so far, things are going well. It's been about three weeks, and in that time, the 10k (2k) stats that I've been keeping an eye on show that migrations in a ...


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